sriesch: cheers for the link - I'll have a look in greater detail later (it's 5:30am GMT here and I've not been to bed yet :o) ) but to answer you're question, I know what I'm wanting to create but don't ask me to describe it cuz I can't without the aid of a white board, some marker pens and some coffee :oD The way my mind and things are going this is going to be one of those long term ideas that is worked on here and there as and when I learn the skills, and I might even end up using Painter for some or all of the landscaping, I juz dunno. The hardest thing I find is getting the idea from my mind into a conceptual form using the apps I have at my disposal. One of the joys and challenges of the hobby. Cheers though every link, suggestion is valuable, if not today then tomorrow or the next day.