Well, all of you have good points. I've been compiling a list of pros & cons for buying P5. And the scaled just tipped today in favor! :-) And yes, i own C4D & MAX. But, i never bought those expensive plug-Ins like S&H, etc... So, i use those solely for modeling. Poser, to me as been mainly for posing figures. But, i'm a kid through & through(Even with my grey hair). And i love thinkering with new toys & overcoming challenges. So, it seems that P5 is full of new toys & has a few challenges in the form of "undiscovered possibilities"... Great! Seems like FUN! Which is the primary reason that i Love 3D! I even enjoy my commercial work, the money is just an added bonus. So, a big thank you for the info! Was a Veteran of P4, now a Newbie again! Yippie! See you out there... Marco