Sorry, soulhunter, but POV has many features that poser is lacking, and their development staff isn't aware of. It handles radiosity much better, and there is no param of the media that you can't control. I won't go as far as to say textures are easy, but when you control every aspect of them, getting what you want may be time consuming, but not all that difficult. Making a front end that would interface the two might be the best thing CL could do. Letting poser do nothing but generate and pose characters, then leave the rest for POV, and 99.9% of my frustrations with poser would disappear. Most of my frustration comes from posers abysmally lousy light control, and a generally screwed up light system to begin with. Many programs already export to POV, and many are proud of it. It's probably the most versatile and powerful rendering engine available.