Ummm, Well. Here's a quickie fer ya. to the left of the vertical column in the sorta middle,is the actual image. To the right is a reflective plane, nothing else. Mayadoll rendered "no_image" the shiny post rendered "no_reflection" the sphere endered "no_shadow" Some pretty good reasons for mixing the two. Light is one point source, the "walls" and "floor" are only infinite planes, had them textured with nice stone, but the .jpeg was like 260k, so the textures had to go. Didn't use radiosity or media, at 1500 X 1200 it might be done tomorrow if I had.