thanx to you to take time to look over an annoying student like me :) such things wont work for a sphere hough :) i have toi try something else in that case btw ddi you make any "modelling out of simple props" tutorals and what is the numer of it if you posted it ? i have questions about items made out of props, regarding toon mode... in fact, it is off topic, but regarding light, polygons and such, things seem to have different and much stricter rules under toon mode, really a thing on its own...