Ummm, sorry, but I didn't hide the reflection of Mayadoll, you see that clearly, and you see her shadow. It's her reflection that you see. ====================================== However, if such abilities become important then I am sure they exist in the Shade engine :) ======================================= If they are, the price of shade is going to be too much to pay for those three keywords. Working on another render, inside four walls with a ceiling on it, one point light, not a (giggle, snort) spotlight. "Full house" render, media, radiosity, maybe by tomorrow.