Thanks Veth! I'm still tweaking on my skin map for the P4 Male. I'm having a devil of time with eyebrows and pubic hair, or just hair in general. However, now that there is that fur plugin on the public beta of EyeCandy 2000, I may have an easier time of it. I could see a difference once he was rendered. The lines are smoother on the face. This figure will be good for any type of close up render, not just a facial. Now if some more morphs could be translated to work on him, I could rebuild my Vyper character for close portrait shots. I too really enjoy someone using one of my textures to create a cool pic! Anytime you want me to do yah a texture, just let me know. It's a learning experience everytime I work on one (manuals, who reads manuals, I just twiddle)! Liz Pope Dreamspinner Inc.