"286"? Bah! I once had to do render in binary to prove my manhood back in ol' the cave bear days on a computer made of wood. Several years later, at seventy two years of age or there abouts I finally finished the render and was preparing to show it; in so doing declare myself a man in front of the tribal fires and claim all the benefits there of. Unfortunately when I turned on the computer to show my art (printers hadn't been invented yet) it caught fire and the great work that I had slaved over for most of my lowly existance was lost forever. I forget most of the rest of the story mainly because it was in another lifetime and a long,long time ago and in a galaxy far far away; it is most remarkable that I remember it at all . . . but I do recall something about a naked woman with a sword in a place of worship who was named Vee-Kee or something like that. Oh well, "I still live!" - Darth Bikermouse ... Vile, so... can this landscape scene include a minimal figure or two so long as they are not poser and do not interfere with but rather accentuate the landscape? I've been kicking myself for not working on developing models lately from Amapi, Carrara, Wings or the like. The challenge might give me a kickstart in that direction if I could include something like that. - TJ