Thanks everyone :o)....we do seem to have that reputation Sydney, i don't think its a bad thing and won't be abandoning that kind of thing but this has given me a taste ;o)......What i should have said at the beginning was thanks to Aaron for the idea (i was rushing as usual) the man is a great source of inspiration with images and ideas and has just sent me another pile of awesome ideas, some for the kids ;o).....Steve PS the Vicky 1/2 version is up