Sorry sandoppe, lol, I just couldn't resist... ;) I don't blame you for not updating! I hate it when I get used to something and it stops doing what I expect. Probably why I've never gotten far in photoshop -- just no need to learn beyond what I've done so far. Daverj -- that plug-ins idea is an awesome one! That would really rock. Duh! And since D|S is extensible in the same way, the smart folks out there could (hopefully, lol) spend a bit less time adapting -- not that I'm expecting them to use the same structure, but it would be cool to keep things equal among both. And it would show a mighty strong support for the community -- if it ain't there now, someone can always build it! Mac users have needed a tailor and a few other tools for a long time. They are a small market that's important but ignored. MC - IIRC, CL never said they were doing the development in-house on the plug-ins. It likely is a priority, although it's probably been harder to find someone willing to program for it. But, in any case, all bets were off after the housecleaning there. Also, do note that the survey is ONLY for those things that CL doesn't already have info on. Katherine said it like twice above. I know for a fact they troll through the forums here, RDNA, at PPros, at DAZ now, and others. And they do pay attention. The fact that they don't ask much about it could be a good sign (and likely is) that they are trying. It's sorta like with D|S -- you KNOW they'll have an LW plugin, probably right off the bat on final release or very shortly thereafter. But will they have the obj export one? you know, this really is the best of times for Poser folk. There is just sooo much possibility now that there hasn't been in a few years...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)