I have my box right here. Dinnae say it has plug-ins for Lightwave. Nowhere on the box or in the manual does it say that. And I have the initial info from pre-release, as well, in the same folder -- printed them out. They say specifically that P5 does not have the lightwave plug-ins. I'm confused. But, the good news is this is a natural state for me :) As for rigging characters in lightwave: primal scream Thank you for the mention but no. I fell into Lightwave after hearing all the great words about it, and I have no doubt that it can do wonderful things. And someday I'll have the year or so to learn how to use it. Right now, though, it sits there taunting me. Ease of use and short learning curve are not words associated with lightwave, lol. I ended up with Carrara 2, which is a little more my speed, lol. Ah well...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)