http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=499774&Start=1&Artist=spinner&ByArtist=Yes This is the exact reason people dont comment how to improve stuff on images - some idiot goes on a bender because they need to prove a point - and pulls down the ranking in a fit of pique - unable to tell the difference between a discussion and a minute egos unable to differentiate between good and bad art. Reasoning ? This user is in the thread, would never have looked me up if I wasnt posting an opinion in line with his or hers, and the comment was proving a point, not critique. Angry ? No Sore ? no Care ? nope - he won me a bet on who'd be trolling :-) ~S