Ok - then I think you should have posted in less of a fit of pique - That was childish, and to be honest - if you looked me up a bit more, you should have seen that its an image that is in continuous work, I also find it fascinating that someone with your Poserskills still hasnt answered me on how to improve my lighting - lighting is always a bitch, see. Stating that she looks like an inflatable ready to get on the job is meant to convey the fact that the person who made the image actually may want to work on the mouth - I understand that what is meant to be conveyed is suprise and agony - but the mouth is too round - it just looks plastic and like an inflatable. I am sorry if you do not find that helpful - but to be honest, people have different ways of communicating, mine tends to be abrupt and somewhat arrogant - people dont trust me when I gush, see ;-), but I try to be objective. However - stating that something looks -wrong - or in a certain manner, is a prod to the artist to look at something with new eyes, a comment, or constructive critique, as this thread proves, is a very subjective thing, and I really dont think anyone should have to provide tutorials on how to do things - clarifications if asked, most definitely, but not more than that. Nine out of ten times, its not a personal attack. If you're going to post art - be ready to take the heat from people who dont share your vision, or who think its crap. I wasnt aware that your gemini image had gotten the same treatment, and that you therefore probably were a bit sore. I'd like to add that the ONE image in my gallery thats had the most hits, is a nekkid vickie, btw, which was meant as a joke. Ynsaen - I hear you on the "mom -look what I made" thing. Its just that it all looks the same :-( Now - couch, tea, book :-) ~S