that grass is stunning and so is the headge. very garden maze! my hedges will only seen from a distance so i think i'll just use the terrain method, but thanks for the suggestion SAS. you might be wondering why i added the extra S, thats because you are Elite (possibly l33t) ;] ok crap idea. sorry. while i am here any free models of sheep, cows, farm gates or tractors knocking about? they aren't essential but would be nice. Thanks again folks John