wolf - yep, very promising but at $125 for a set of tools that are a half step shrug I'm not waiting on CL for anything, just voicing my frustration. I'm still hunting ebay for used Poser 4 and Propack cheap for my plugin solution. I'm just still frustrated that a year and a half and I'm still ranting about the limitation where others have made out (Max, and Maya). I use Poser 5 don't get me wrong, just no where near as much as I would like to, hopefully SR4 will make a differnece and hopefully CL really will listen to users for Poser 6.