And PhilC sells a basic female model especially designed for this... you can take that lowpoly mesh into any program which handles .objs... and add polys, refine verts, shmush edges, and do whatever you need to do to get the figure you want. Then you take it back into Poser's Setup Room to bone it. Rather than starting with a cylinder, you are starting with a figure that has fingers and toes. ;) Carolly