The "crackpottery group" I was involved with was DeMolay, which is, like Job's Daughters, the Rainbow Girls, and the Order of the Evening Star, an organization created, controlled, and nurtured by the Masons. There must be an adult Mason in attendence at DeMolay initiations. I was initiated because my father was a Mason, and Chevalier was the highest honor in the organization (I was one of two in Japan, as well as Grand Master or something of Japan for a while (woo-hoo)). My information about the Masons comes from inside, at least that far inside, not what some relative chose to tell me, and not from the public statements of a private, secrecy-bound organization. Maybe you should get your own facts straight before shotgunning "reality" at folks. I didn't say I believed the Illuminati theories; that accusation is your invention. The hysterical thing about the Illuminati is that the lore represents a perfect puzzle--nothing can be proven, because truth, if there is one, is layered thicker than an onion. (The protocols of the Bavarian Illuminati are written in a code that appears to be anti-Semitic, so that if they are disclosed, people will discount them as anti-Semitic ravings. And so on.) I said I didn't see any reason to give the Masonic slant more credence than the Illuminati theorists'. Masons are nice guys with some peculiar ideas about history, notably their own. The Masons themselves trace their roots to the building of Solomon's Temple, to the stonemason's guild of the Middle Ages, and to the Knights Templar. Those facts tangle inconveniently with your own view of reality, but that don't make 'em false. Since there was no Solomon's Temple, according to my personal best authorities, being founded by the guys who built it seems, to me at least, a bit weird. Speaking of Poser, I just noticed that Displacement Bounds can be set for individual objects. M