Ok, ok, I submit. Here is the 1st render I consider anything like 1/2 way decent. I've already posted it in the "Poser/Fantsy" section (that was before I read the replies in this thread..), so all the "Credit bits" are there. Caveat. I know it's not finished! (There's a great blank space on the right that I need to fill with something; I tried using the Poser cats, but they ended up looking awful! NUDITY ALERT!! (a. I couldn't work out what to put on her and b). It's supoosed to be a "White Magic" scene (The Enlightenment") Cheers, Diolma