Yep, all cool factors... but I still don't think that people with problems with P5 are to be catagorized as "whining" about it. That's not fair to use in the promoting of the application. I'm hardly whining about it. If all of the reported problems were just people whingin, then why is Curious Labs still working on another update? It's been what, 16 months since the application was released? Now, the situation here is... a "complete newbie" has asked for a reccomendation. Now... will a "complete newbie" be able to use and understand all of the items you've listed? I doubt it. I'll still stick with recommending P4 Pro... or Poser Artist for now. Maybe a year from now they can just upgrade to P6 when it comes out, hopefully it'll be stable. Doug

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