orders of magnitude? Orders of magnitude? maybe a wee bit overstating the case there.... And I'm lacking the proper equipment for the pronoun used. Easy mistake, though. Radeon9600, please ignore the intervening posts. lol How much ya wanna spend and how much time ya got to learn it? Both have several elements that recommend themselves, both have flaws, and no one will ever agree on them ;) Poser Artist provides a tried system with loads of community support and content. It has a shorter learning curve and lower price, and is an older version. ProPack is sorta in between -- additional functionality, with a focus on portability of content and greater ease in creating your own. (Still isn't easy, though) Poser 5 is the current version, offering a lot more jazzy features, the same hiccups as in the previous versions, and a learning curve that isn't gentle and easy. Most of the community itself is still adapting to it (artists are slow to accept new tools, and these folks are artists, make no mistake -- good, bad, and often inbetween, but still artists), still learning it. Everything else -- what any of us think about any of them, is sorta like walking a land mine field: yer gonna go boom eventually, it's just a matter of the steps ya take...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)