@nomuse - I'm not really up on body handles. From what I have seen illustrated, they sort of look like extended not traditional bodyparts that can be hidden when rendered and are used to manipulate the mesh. If you could give me more info on body handles, or point me to a thread where they are discussed more in depth, I would appreciate it. All I really know about them is that Anton - genius that he is - came out with the first applications I had heard of in his Eygptian skirt. But I have no real knowledge of how they work, nor any clothing that makes use of them to look at.