Hi, Thank you all very much for the feedback. There are some very good points throughout - both could be seen as good and bad - and well taken from within CL. Just a point or two. The date of release expectation as it relates to a companys communication externally. Most companies prefer not to communicate too many date expectations but rather prefer to wait until all of the development and business pieces are properly put together. Working within forums however, more details are desired. I believe in this thread earlier, the mention that there are many mainstream companies such as Adobe who refrain from posting and interacting within forums. Mostly because it is conversational with very visible and often conflicting expectations from the various forum or product users. The date expectation of SR4 release for example. I think any company would prefer not to announce an expected date, but rather to just say we're working on it. But as many of you feel and/or have read from other posts, it can be unacceptable to not have a bench mark of expected date from a company that interacts within a forum. CL has tried to post dates only when it can be trusted to be accurate by at lease 90%. With in software development, not to state this too simplistic, but programming and testing and fixing bugs can be a bit like a puzzle. You know the focus, you see the end picture you need to put together and you know how a puzzle works, but can not always be certain of how long it will take to complete. With SR4, we first through Jan/Feb04 was that 90% benchmark, but quickly after re-announced a winter expectation due to the additional time needed during this verification/test period. With the plug in development; weve been working with 3rd party companies to help develop the plug in products whether it be working with e-on or Eovia while they develop plug in support, or through Reiss Studio who has been handling the 3rd party plug in for Maya, 3D Studio Max, upcoming Cinema 4D or Lightwave. With this, its impossible for CL to set a date of expectation because the development is not happening solely in house as it is with Poser. Many have commented on Lightwave. All I can say is that this is due out this year. Its work in progress. There will be times with dates that no matter what we try to offer in communication, that it will cause a certain % of people frustration. I wish that wasnt the case, but hopefully if CL can stick to offering only whats 90% certain, and notify when and if there are any delays, our hope is that most will understand. Thank you again for all of the valuable feedback both in this thread and the other 2 threads started by Numanoid for associated program use and phython use. With appreciation, Katherine