Thanks ynsaen, I've been there and the P5 community there is fantastic. Poser 5 seems to be quite useable since SR3 and I like the way Vue goes with Mover 5, though I do mainly stills and no animation. Just got Xfrog yesterday and so I will be able to do outdoor pictures with Poser 5 alone, but also in Vue the additional plants will come in handy. I saw the thread by Lyne. Just wait a bit to get the first feedback from Mover5 users. It's not always a good idea to buy an initial release ;-).