It looks good. Especially for only a 3rd creation. You REALLY don't want to see what my 3rd creation looked like ... :) Okay, the sycophant part is over. Here's a couple of comments: 1. Sea floor: At the depth you're at (you can actually see the bottom ... :) there would be more vegatation/greenery on the rocks. Lichen and algae and stuff if not actual plants. Use (or create) a material w/ some green on it. That would better match the scale that you've got here. 2. The torpedo looks more like an air-to-surface missle (looks more like a Maverick than a Hellfire). Definitely NOT a torpedo. Try stripping the wings from it and just leave the cylinder part of it. Torpedoes (even the vintage one's like you're appear to be shooting for here) (pun intended ... :) have the maneuvering fins within the radius of the cylinder. That way the firing tube on the sub is smaller and it's a litte more streamlined for quieter passage through the water. 3. Try increasing the grid resolution on the terrains in the foreground to 512 or 1024. That way you can avoid the stairstep look that you see on the hill in the lower left hand corner. 4. The air bubbles coming from the sub. It appears that the sub is just sitting there with the bubbles going straight up like that. If it did, the sub would be sinking towards the bottom of the ocean. Subs have to maintain a 2 or 3 knot forward motion to maintain depth and steerage control. Move the air bubbles closer to the back of the sub the closer to the surface they are. Example, the air bubbles in the upper right hand corner would probably not be in the frame because they would've move that far back on the sub (or rather, the sub would've moved that far forward since they were released). Overall, it looks very good. Keep up the work! Again, these are just minor points that I think would improve the picture. YMMV. John Stawarz II jstawarz2@netzero.net http://io.spaceports.com/Gallery for my gallery