thanks guys and no its not a pirate but i apreciate the heads up anyway its a full retail version i bought ,just downloaded the update from the site but i really didnt want to do that after reading about it being a beta patch i like the tried and tested rather than beta patches, strange thing is before i got vue pro i used vue4 standard and it was always fine then i got a new pc the one mentioned above using a gforce4 card and xp instead of my usual setup of win2k and an elsa gladiac and even vue4 standard started messing up from the day i installed it on the xp gforce machine i thought it may be issues with xp but now i got vue pro and this is worse i guess im gonna have to contact e-on directly about it ,it literally crashes constantly every 2 mins in opengl or every 5mins not in opengl ,should of stuck with bryce5 is my thoughts now but vue pro looks sooooo much more realistic and the main reason was that i use lightwave and ozone3d and wanted the intergration vue pro offers ,not much use if i cant get it to run though!