Thanks Ockham. I have Cinema 4d, Wings, Anim8or. But I am doing almost 16 hours a day, 5 days a week on Poser and Vue, so it's not the effort or the skills I am worried about, but time. Sometimes it's easier to just stick in a primitive somewhere and texture it, than to model something. When they change the calendar and make 8 day weeks it will be much easier. The 8th day will be called Mirday. The day on which we can perform miracles and actually get something done.