whoopdat, LOL. Thanks for the info, but I've already tried Mozilla and uninstalled it. Admittedly, it was on an old machine, but IE works fine on it. I use an old 166Mhz for surfing. Best anti-virus ever. I could care less if I get a virus and my main computer is always clean. Anyway, IE opens in about 5 seconds. Mozilla was taking 1 minute+ just to open a blank browser window, so I gave up. Pity... it seemed like a good idea. Mind you, I HATED netscape from the git-go. mac