U guys just saved me a lot of work. Here's my "notes to me" for making thumbs in P5...(please understand; this is NOT directions, just self-reminders..) Changing .png thumbs. This is more finicky than in P4! Example from the all'n'wonder dress... 1. Load figure etc & dress. 2. Size screen to be square 3. Position as required and render. 4. Paste to background (under "display" menu) 5. Switch to aux cam and move cam til only the background can be seen. 6. Save to library with new name (eg for 2PieceRed, save as 2PieceRed2) This will just show up as blank, 'cos there's no alpha channel! 7. Open the new .png file in PSP 8. Load a relevant mask (there's a "0.msk" in the All-n-Wonder tex directory) 9. Save the file -- check in poser (pop out of the directory and back in again) 10. Delete the old .png file and the new .pz2 file, rename new .png file to the old name. Sheesh! THANKS -- it's a lot easier now! time to wander off to freestuff/utilities...