Stewer >> ...the two attitudes. I usually call the first one >> "purchasive", the second one "creative", cause one's >> about creating and the other about purchasing. Basically, yes, though in defense of DAZ, their model focuses the creative differently. I mentioned, when D|S first arrived, in all its "alpha" glory, that there was something ominous in the fact that they are creating a binary format. This model is the reason I find it ominous. Poser is effectively open architecture, except for heads created in the Face room. If you don't like something in the PZ3 file, you can open it in Textpad and change it. DAZ models will be locked down unless you are a reverse engineer, and if you want something "fixed," you will buy a fix. Perhaps the SDK will address this concern, though the very need for an SDK accentuates the difference and reinforces the desire for control. Who gets the SDK? What will it cost? What I see at DAZ is proprietary greed with a nice insurance salesman smile. I seem to be alone in this regard. Oh well. I can't prove it, but I suspect we are already seeing a tactic that would be a little nasty. Based on using SP3 and the MDog, I suspect that DAZ is now "anti-testing" their products, by which I mean boobytrapping them so that they don't look right in P5. I opened the MDog in PP, P5, and D|S, and oddly enough, and for the first time, I could see significant degradation in the model's appearance, but only in P5. SP3 in P5 has strange, strange shoulder joints, but I haven't checked her in D|S. I'm not at the paranoia phase of this suspicion yet, just curious. M