Sandoppe >>I think it would be a bit silly for them to >> purposely make their stuff look like crap >> in P5 :) That, unfortunately, doesn't make it unlikely... I have the MDog updates, which probably don't address my concerns (the ridiculous idea that you can make a vulva out of a squashed scrotum, and the fact that they apparently used a Staffordshire for their model, so all the breeds are bowlegged). We'll see. >> conflict of interest Odd way to put it, but yes. Eventually I expect to see DAZ products that are in their format and thus cannot be used in ANY version of Poser. That's certainly their perogative, and if by then they have DAZ Studio past "alpha" (whatever that means in Happy Valley speak), I still doubt if I'll buy. My 3D dollar is going into building around Poser--Shade, Carrara, AMAPI, Bryce, Vue. I don't need an alternative Poser. I am a small, if vocal, minority voice, though, and that's fine too. My money is on a new, thoroughly cleaned up P6 by the end of the year or early in 2005. I think the new blood from Japan is going to fix some things permanently. My two cents. Mick