There is also the point that if you eliminate the so-called "duplicate" formats from 3dcafe, you need to do that here as well! There are many files posted in both Bryce and Poser versions. You will also have to trim off the PhotoShop brushes and the Fractals and the other stuff from the total if you trim them from 3dcafe (or any other site). Comparing bushels of cherries AFTER you've cherry-picked them only works if the same standard is held throughout. Carolly