Okay, this is getting frustrating. I've seen some beautiful examples of depth of field with view (yours included Cheers), but I don't seem to be able to achieve that quality myself. I followed you advice, and used user settings with all of the good stuff checked, superior antialiasing, and both of the antialiasing sliders moved to maximum settings. After 51 mins on a tiny little 273 X 240 sample, its still grainy. I really wish I knew what I was doing wrong. )G:`,