I have just got back from my morning business. I direct this question to Senshi.... Do you have all the service release updates for Poser 4? If unsure go to Creative Labs and find out. I am just going about to do some research as soon as I finish this letter. I remembered something in a conversation with shadowzone on this very isssue when it came up last time on my MiniDress. He said that if I didn't have all the service releases for p4, that could be the cause of my poser4 malfunction that I was discribing to him. I was complaining of poke thrus in the MiniDress, they were happening in almost the same places as Senshi has shown me is happening in P4. I never got the service releases because I use ppp only anyway and he said the MiniDress it was working perfectly fine in p4 anyway. Thank you very much marty