Thanks for your help. Come to think of it I have seen mirror effects in Poser I can't remember where though and from what I remember it was sort of faked... you know.. it's not crucial that I have this effect... Because in the day the building reflects mostly the sky.. and on the bottom reflecting part I can just take a render and mirror it in photoshop and put it on the building.. I won't be reflected as I walk up.. but that's ok... heheh... Brian