Pretty much what they said, with a couple of added points. There are a -lot- of genuine professionals (ie: those who get paid for this) who routinely use Poser, and the various Poser meshes. They are quick, easy to manipulate, of reasonable quality and at a nigh onto unbeatable price. Poser is just a tool; and like any graphic software tool, there is a staple or two attached to it. With Bryce it was the 'Reflective Sphere Over The Water', which has been seen in Bryce fora for an eternity. Poser has 'Naked Vicki In A Temple With A Sword'. Vue has 'Waterplaneground with Single Mountain Terrain with preset Sunset and Tree to the Right of Same'. Cinema has it, Lightwave has it (the Eternal B5 Spaceship of Your Choice), Max has it, Maya has it, Shade has it, etc. All they boil down to is the start of the learning curve. Back in the dim, dark days, the likes of Traveler, Syyd, Legume, Mehndi, Jack, Diane, Davo, Dendras, Don Tatro, and every other Poser Ghod you want to name committed NVIATWAS. Just like every Brycer committed SSoW. They all grew beyond it (notice I never claimed that any of them grew -up- :P ). Poser is just a tool. Use it as such, not just the means to an easy end, and ignore the app snobs. The proof is in the result (an excellent example of this maxim is at www.belino.net , where Phoul hangs his hat. Check out his demo's and you can see just what Poser 4 and Vue 4 can do....and I have had the extreme pleasure of having a Lightwave snob waxing about what 'his' app could do...and seeing the look on his face when he found out that the apps actually used weren't LW, and cost less than many plugins for his 'baby'. Revenge is sweet, and shriveling a twit is pure enjoyment...). And be careful of the 'no gallery' effect, as well. Most of my work is animation, so... no gallery. Now, back to Poser 5 and tests with VuePro and Mover 5. We really need a gallery for animation types to play in...