I think there is a parallel with comic book artists. A lot rag on anime work. I personally am not too fond of anime when its cheapely done. But western style can be just as easily cheaply done. I remember reading an article about the artist who worked on the old Flash Gordon comic book serial. He got high praise for his talent and well drawn work. Turned out he simply traced a lot of his figures from an older Tarzan comic. I also know 3d artists who have this lame (its poser it sucks) attitude but they use the actual obj mesh when modelling figures. Yes there is true talent. There are truly good modellers who make the entire figure themselves. But then there are also people who make their own wood for wood projects or paint for their paintings. Once the figure is made, what really is the difference between posing a figure in Max vs Poser. They are posed then you render. max has better renderers but that's about all. If a Max artist buys a vuepoint figure then poses and renders that figure, how have they done better?