That's good to know Cath! :) Don't worry Cath.....I'll keep them safe :) I would guess that anyone who purchased Poser 4 on up must have the P4 baby don't they?! I did......in fact I just checked my P4/P5 characters back up Cd and blNudeInfant.obj is there....just not on my computer. So......if the Cubed babies are based on a character that comes with Poser and he got permission from CL to use the base, then what's the big deal?! I'm sure Chris will have a response. I just sent him an email and suggested he check out this thread and post some clarifications. I suspect someone went sniping about this baby and that's what prompted the "encoder" business. Sometimes I think I engage in over kill with the stuff I save to CD. Then there are days like this, when I'm glad I'm a bit anal in that regard :)