Actually, I -do- know that the models Phoul uses run the gamut; the Star Wars meshes were freebies from long ago done in Max 3, I believe. Anyone who bothers to look at the programs could figure that out in a heartbeat, as they aren't modellers. My point there is 'so fricking what'? That is only one =very= small part of CG artwork, and at the risk of starting a fire, no more important than texturing, lighting, rigging, animating, etc. All I was pointing out was the quality (sufficient to convince a self styled LW guru that only 'his' baby could have been responsible =for the entire production from beginning to end=) of Philippe's animations have nigh onto nothing to do with the software used. It's =how= it's used, and the experience brought to it from the user. And let's be honest here; in a real production pipeline, you don't have one person doing it all. You have specialists, and many places contract modelling out simply because it -is- a specialty. So using 3rd party content isn't some kind of cheat as the groups in question imply; it is simply standard business practice to save time. I've had a couple of kids run off from the CG scene as they were getting their feet wet due to that segment of the 4 digit app crowd that feels compelled to denigrate anyone or anything not 'one of them'. I guess the moral of the story is that my father has a friend who has a basement workshop with top of the line everything probably close to $100,000 of tools and power equipment. The man I know that I would trust to do work for me has a bunch of 10 year old Craftsman tools from Sears...and talent and skill, and a willingness to both learn and teach.