IMHO, two things tend to cause the bulk of problems with Poser 5, and those two things are the reason I wrote the 5 Things bit. The first of those two reasons for issues is the software environment. Most systems are either off the shelf and cluttered with mfg crud, or home built and cluttered with "utilities" crud to make things work "better". The second of these is the fact that P5 is not P4: it doesn't act like P4, it doesn't look like P4, it doesn't do things the way P4 did them, it doesn't do what for four years P4 did and everyone got really used to and figured out and all sorts of good stuff. It requires you to stop and learn it's stuff. Not always a happy thing, as when you know you can do something really quick and easily in P4, and then you go to P5 and you find that your shortcuts are gone, it really sorta pisses you off. Them's the breaks. My hubby used a certain card program for years. Then, one day, the maker of that program put in a lot of new features and changed the way it looked. Hubby had a cow when I installed it on his system (at his request) and wanted me to take it off. I said no. It took him 6 months to figure it out, but now he gets more done, faster, and he likes the results better. But he did sorta set it aside for a couple months. It heped that he kept seeing me do cool things with it (on purpose) becuase then he wanted to know how. That's the other issue. The environmental issue with it is one that also gets folks upset, because we all have things we like to have running -- little things that help us out, and do other tasks for us. Hubby has about six of them he swears he can't live without, and gee, his system isn't quite as friendly to stuff like P5. Anthony, I will take a look at your scene later today and see what I can come up with. My system is an Athlon 2400+ with 384MB of RAM on XP. I've done some really complex scenes before with it, and I think I could likely come close. And, by the way - you've made some great stuff. Thanks for sharing them :)

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)