I don't understand why people keep making excuses for poorly-written software. "IMHO, two things tend to cause the bulk of problems with Poser 5...The first of those two reasons for issues is the software environment. Most systems are either off the shelf and cluttered with mfg crud, or home built and cluttered with "utilities" crud to make things work "better". Why then do many people having trouble with P5 don't experience problems with their other programs? In my case: Photoshop 6 & 7, Carrara 1.1, Vue4, Bryce4, Painter 7, MS Office XP Developer's Edition, various games, etc, etc, etc. Why is it that only P5 requires a stripped machine? "The second of these is the fact that P5 is not P4: it doesn't act like P4, it doesn't look like P4, it doesn't do things the way P4 did them..." I disagree. It's been pretty much established that P5 IS P4 with some very minor changes and a bunch of 3rd party apps tacked on. Same program core, same bugs. LOL @ JohnRender!!!