Thanks, Clint. At least now I can stop banging my head on that particular wall. This is a pity because Carrara has much better rendering facilities than Poser. But; posing P4 characters in Carrara-- forget it, unless you're seriously into self-inflicted pain! I thought about the possibility of posing the characters in P4 then exporting them as kind of "key frames", then importing them into Carrara and asking it to tween the two poses. But I haven't been able to do that and I don't see how it's possible. Well, time for me to find another wall ... ah, yes, shaders! IsaacNewton