Hi thanks for the input folks but well I was after something more like a roman centurian would wear. What i'm trying to do is add this on to the fantasy elf princess archer by BVH much as I like his work I like to have some sort of rational to the clothes my characters wear. Like if the weathers bad in a scene my character would wear the morphing cloak rather than the adventures cape even thothe rest of her clothes would be the same. To be honest as Carolly said fantasy armour/clothing does leave a lot to be desired in the protection stakes and I can't quite see a sane woman who is likely to get into a fight wear a bathing suitand leave her thighs exposed. Hence the need for a skirt of some description, but I want one to go with the general scheme of the armour. I can kind of rationalise the shoulder pads as being attached to the cape collar though (or I could try for some light chain or cloth). so will have to keep looking thanks guys Dave