...morning :] 'chelle... i really don't know what i'm doing in PSP half the time, (really? no kidding... hehe) i've used the hit & miss method for so long... the reason i change the text layer to a raster layer is to apply effects to the lettering like a dropshadow, otherwise it won't let me... i noticed i'm selecting text in "vector" mode... should i be using "selection" or "floating" instead? i guess i should read the directions ...back to school... :]