Whenever someone comes along, and stands without apology for their beliefs -- others are inevitably offended When will you realize that it's not your beliefs that people are taking offense to ... it is your assertion that it is the One Truth that everyone takes offense to? There are many christians (with a small C) in the world ... but let me ask this. Which branch of christianity has a handle on the truth? Catholics? Episcopaleans? Presbyterians? Baptists? Jehovah Witnesses? Congretationalists? Mormons? If what we know of as Christianity had all the answers, then why so many divisions? pushinfaders, I'm really sorry, for prolonging this debate. It might be best to move this post to the OT forum (where I was hoping it would be by now). Please accept my apologies for the continuance, as I know you are working hard for a resolution.