"But since it is as stable as Max..." Excuse me, but I used to use Max and had nowhere near the trouble I have with P5. "realize that this particular horse is losing steam as more and more people start to get over their initial upset and realize P5 is a capable, stable upgrade with some good features. You're right...the "complaints" are dwindling. But it isn't because people are "getting over their initial upset." It's because fewer and fewer people are bothering to post their problems. They're tired of being called whiners and complainers and tired of arguing with brick walls. There are people who don't post here at all since the initial P5 release debacle. Maybe they gave up on Poser alltogether or just on Rosity. I know at least one who got banned for bashing P5. This is probably what the original CL crew hoped for...complacence over time. And it's happening. "There is simply no reason or method for companies to continue to try and add features and still support obsolete systems that are more than 5 years out of date." Is there a reason for a company to tell the truth? The P5 box says it will run under Windows 98 and ME. No user of either one should have to upgrade their OS to get P5 to work. "Because in this case P5 is no more or less buggy than any other large, complex tool." WHOA!!! Wrongo!!! Please refer to my post #32 in which I state: "Why then do many people having trouble with P5 don't experience problems with their other programs? In my case: Photoshop 6 & 7, Carrara 1.1, Vue4, Bryce4, Painter 7, MS Office XP Developer's Edition..." "Bugs of some degree are inevitable in large software" Maybe so but I hang around forums for many other software packages and have never seen the tide of complaints and problems like P5 has had. Not even close. Soulhuntre, it's obvious to me P5 works well for you and many others. But it should be just as obvious to you that it doesn't work very well for others. I worked in software and hardware installations and instructions for over 15 years and have never seen anything as bad as P5. Hell, even some of the people who worked with CL on P5 have decried what happened. Making excuses and blaming the user and/or his/her machine doesn't help get the problem fixed.