timefighter opened this issue on Feb 17, 2004 · 182 posts
soulhuntre posted Thu, 19 February 2004 at 6:05 PM
"Every person lost is one less mind to think with us....... "
Or in terms of the TOS... "one less mind to think LIKE us..."
I don't have an agenda here... I don't really care what the admins want to set their TOS to. What I >DO< expect is the TOS to be accurate and enforced. The admins should have the courage to be honest, to openly state their beliefs and their decision to use their judgment in place of the rules as they see fit. Just say it flat out...
"The administration of this site reserves the right to remove any post or image for any reason at their should discretion without notice or recourse. Some examples of reasons that may result in removal are...
Be adults. Be ethical. Have the courage to say it out loud so you can be honest with yourselves and us. Don't pretend the rules are absolute so you can later hide behind them to avoid having to stand up and say "this image goes because we don't like it, and this one stays because it fits with our religion".
"You're a brave woman."
Brave how? It's a nice image but it's not like she is going to be burned at the stake, attacked or harmed as a result of it. This isn't a martyr situation here, its a thread on a internet forum. I think applying the concept of bravery to the action diminished the concept and the act itself.
We aren't marching into Rome to support Jesus here, this was an image posted to a web site. I doesn't really fall under my concept of bravery. In fact, the response to the image itself has been overwhelmingly supportive and positive. Not one person here has called for it's removal - in fact almost everyone here wants the TOS to change to accurately reflect that it should stay.
"In my opinion the TOS does apply :-) "
You! You! You pro-pornography, anti Jesus agenda toting person! How dare you!
"This way, you still have the ban on extreme torture images that are better housed at Renderotica and other appropriate sites but religious and faith based images are exempted."
For this single event in this specific religion. Well, that would be amazingly prejudicial and myopic, but the admins would at least be open about their agenda.
"Therefore anyone who disagrees with your position, that is, doesnt know your position at the truth must not be a person with a bit of intelligence."
You must know that logic isn't going to fly here, right?
"I wonder why that could be? "
First answer: Because very few other religions have a depiction of torture as the central icon in their faith? I can guarantee you that if I posted a Voodoo ritual of a animal having it's throat slit it would be removed as a TOS violation. Or maybe an Inca ritual of a heart being torn out? Wanna take a guess how long that woudl stay?
Be honest, the only reason this image is here is because it fits with the faith of the admins.
Second answer: Because we are all part of the global Illuminatus conspiracy. But now that we have been found out we are going to disband.
"Agreed....They made the decision to keep the image up, now go in and modify the TOS. Hopefully that could end most of the debate......"
For me? It certainly would.
"On a side note, those who place more of a significance on the TOS rather the depiction of the greatest act of love from a man who represents the one and only true "religion" I pray for each and everyone one of you that you find Jesus."
Faith is a powerful thing, and I am glad that you have yours and I hope it brings you comfort. Personally? I think Jesus would have been looking for a little honesty among his followers, and the courage to state their beliefs outright in their... say, TOS :)
Whether this is the one "true" religion is a matter that is certainly open to question, though possibly not a question that is tolerated on this website apparently.
If this site is "The Christian graphic artists community" then someone needs to go change the banners cause all us non-believer heathens are under the impression we might actually matter here.
"Images that are "possible" TOS issues are brought up for discussion.. We don't play favorites..Images are looked at on a case by case basis.. "
Sorry, there is no wiggle room here like there usually is. Crucifixion is SPECIFICALLY mentioned as an act of torture. You don't have any room to "decide" or "evaluate" that, the TOS defined it. Now, you want to make a judgment call on this? Fine ... then go change the TOS because it is no longer accurate. A little honesty is a good thing.
"No, most people would jump to defend the right of any other group to have their say. But they will just as readily attack anyone that dares to show Christianity in a positive way"
Your paranoia is showing. No one is demanding that the image be taken down, many ARE asking that the TOS accurately reflect the real rules. This isn't like a croup of people getting together to attack and destroy those who don't believe as they do... you know, it's not a Crusade or anything :)
"Wrong. This moderator would support the keeping of images important to any and all religions and lifestyles if they were of such great importance to those religions and lifestyles as the crucifixion is to the Christian faith."
Again, it is a simple matter to add "any image may be removed at the discretion of the administration without notice or justification." As it is not up to them to try and define what is and isn't central to other faiths it comes down to that anyway.
"If anyone has a problem with a pic of the crucified Christ....or any other pic for that matter, then don't look at it...."
That's a fine sentiment - of course the TOS has already decided that that isn't enough. The administration has decided (as is their right) to impose their own judgments on what is and is not acceptable rather than simply be an open forum (and I think that's a good thing).
It's really amazing to me that out of a simple concept to "either remove the image that violates the TOS or amend the TOS to accurately reflect the rules" we have now got a thread basically positing a conspiracy within the poser community to attack and defame the Christian faith.
Asking for honesty and accuracy in the TOS is not an attack, nor is it anti anything. It is completely reasonable and rational.