I noticed that when you squish in a triangle, it tends to spread the fractal out. Sort of the opposite of what you generally want. My problem is getting the angle right. I made a couple of lovely wreaths that just won't sit right. The more I fiddle with them the worse they get. (but my wheat came out beautifully) LOL I get the drift on how to invert things (so to speak) but can't quite get the hang of it well enough. Did someone say we should stop to eat and sleep? Maybe that's my problem. Not enough of either. The only thing I miss about version 2 is being able to change the background color, but finally figured out how to do that in psp without too much trouble.