"Then your experience is limited." 15 years not enough? How about hundreds of machines, thousands of installations, unknown years as a programmer and writer and 4 years as an instructor? What is your experience? "And making blanket, untrue statements that the software is universally problematic, buggy or unusable doesn't do it either" I agree. I don't make "blanket, untrue statements." But you do. Here's an example just from this thread: "Because in this case P5 is no more or less buggy than any other large, complex tool" IMO, that is a blanket, VERY untrue statement. Again, please refer to my post #32 where I state: "Why then do many people having trouble with P5 don't experience problems with their other programs? In my case: Photoshop 6 & 7, Carrara 1.1, Vue4, Bryce4, Painter 7, MS Office XP Developer's Edition, various games, etc, etc, etc...?"