Anthony Appleyard opened this issue on Feb 17, 2004 · 77 posts
soulhuntre posted Thu, 19 February 2004 at 11:35 PM
"15 years not enough?"
It has nothing to do with how long. You may have a billion installations and a thousand years, but if you "have never seen anything as bad as P5" (your quote) then you're experience is limited because I can assure you that Poser5 is far from the buggiest piece of software ever to see consumer release. If nothing else, Windows 1.0 disproves the claim :)
If you are honestly going to claim that P5 is the single buggies piece of software you have ever seen, then your experience is limited. That's not an insult, just a fact.
"IMO, that is a blanket, VERY untrue statement."
Not in my experience. And in absence of specific third party metrics all we have to go on is our experience. Now, you and I can trade resumes all day and it wont change anything - you have your experiences and I have mine. Those reading or viewing this thread will draw their own conclusions.
"Again, please refer to my post #32 where I state: "Why then do many people having trouble with P5 don't experience problems with their other programs?"
Nothing about that statement has anything to do with measuring how buggy P5 is. For instance some game engines have had bugs that were very specific to specific set of circumstances... the engines were not in fact very "buggy" as the number of bugs was small... yet the bug was noticeable under those circumstances. In other cases, the bug was not in the game itself, but in the video drivers or the operating system.
In reality, the fact that a user may not experience problems with other programs is no indication of how buggy or not buggy a specific program may be. It is simply one piece of diagnostic information.
"The fact that Curiouslabs is still trying to correct problems after what... 18 months speaks volumes to me."
The Linux codebase routinely fixes bugs that are almost a decade old in some cases. Windows 98 was getting patches till the end of it's life after 5 years for bugs. No trivial program is bug free, and none of them ever will be.
The issue with most reported P5 bugs seems to be that they are specific to system factors, and while they may represent real bugs in the P5 code base they do not, in fact, indicate that the bug is obvious or glaring. The opposite in fact, most of the bugs seem to be subtle (code wise) and hard to diagnose specifically because they are not consistently reproducible on other systems.
"but wrapping it back to "it's all good" undermines the valid concerns that the user base seems to have"
No where in here have I states "it's all good" or that there were no bugs or issues to be addressed in P5. No where in here did I state the program was bug free or perfect. No where in here did I tell people not to bring their concerns to the community or Curious Labs.
What I >have< taken issue with are the assertions that P5 is the buggiest program ever released, that the program is fundamentally unusable by >anyone< and the assertion that the majority of those using the program experience these bugs.
My position, consistently, has been thus:
I really don't see why any of that is causing great distress or making people ignored or attacked.