Hehe ... know that 4 hours Brenda .. sigh About that thumbs Snakey: you're right, but. :-) There had to be a "but" ya know? In some other gals, there have been real-thumb-wars. The thumbs had been better than the images - just to draw attention. Some even got that far as posting "wrong" thumbs just to lure people into the shots. So to me the only true and honest way is to just resize the image. If that doesn't draw attention, it's because of the shot beeing not to well (composed) and i feel that's ok. Take a view on the other side: often i'm very disappointed about what i see after clicking on a thumb. An example: i see a big bugger .. to me an immediate click. Afterwards .. the bugger is still at the same size, just more things surrounding it (usually ruining the image). A sure way for that author not to get any more clicks by me. I'm a fan of WYSIWYG. ;-) But that's just me. Tom